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-senator joe biden. jay johnson was the general counsel for the defense department until last year, and that gave him legal overview about everything the u.s. military and defense department was doing, a lot of which we're going to discuss here. before that he was general counsel for the air force and assistant u.s. attorney, i understand, hired in new york by rudy giuliani back in the day that he was, served on that. jane harmon needs no introduction to anybody here. she's now the executive director or director of the woodrow wilson center, served for how many terms in congress? >> nine. >> nine terms in congress, was ranking member on the house intelligence committee for many years and then the homeland security committee. and anthony romero is the executive director of the aclu and has been a consistent voice for civil liberties on all the issues we're going to talk about. so let's start right off with the nsa program. i know some of it was covered in the previous panel, but i want to get into it, raj, a little bit how it actually works, and i'm talking about the metadata which
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